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No jumper, coolest podcast in the world and today I am actually in here with probably one of the most rare interviews I'm ever going to get.

Garrett from Revenge, how you doing man?

Good man. I'm hiking nervous.

Are you really even with the face covered up?

Yes, still feel like shaky.

I mean we were having this conversation before so let's just keep it going.

Is it something very interesting and unique about anybody at this point who's able to build a brand that is really like separate from the founder?

You know it's like it's nowadays it's like every YouTuber, every rapper, everybody has merch.

And now and then you see a brand that manages to sort of crack that and I think you have to be sort of rare in terms of your social media or how much you put yourself out there.

Is that something that you've always been pretty in tune with?

Yeah it's like everything I do on social media especially is like four reason like there's a purpose behind everything.

I feel like early on working with X as well was like a big influence on why I still wanted to be low key because early on he maybe had like a thousand followers or some shit on Twitter.

You met him back then?

Yeah.

Wow, okay.

Yeah and it was just something that always it fascinated me like even his name XXX sent us on you know how he said like unknown temptation.

Yeah.

Something about being unknown or just anonymous and I was really into like deep web and like hacking and shit like that.

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