Hey, it's Adam Isaac, the producer of Inquiring Minds. Just a quick note before today's episode.

We have all been watching the escalation of police violence against protesters and black people,

and if you consider yourself someone who cares about the injustices and racism being levied against black communities,

I want to ask you to do something about it. If you have a platform, use it. If you have money to spare, donate it.

And at the very least, you have your voice and your time.

There is a deep anti-blackness in America, and this is an inflection point.

When white silence equals violence, there is no defending complacency.

We support black voices.

We support protesters, and we're horrified by the actions of police.

Please consider taking action.

You can find more information on our website or in the episode description.

All right, on to the show.

You and Betty and the Nancy's and Bill's and Joes and Jane's will find in the study of science

a richer, more rewarding life.

Hey, welcome to Inquiring Minds. I'm Andrea Viscontas. This is a podcast that explores the space

where science and society collide. We want to find out what's true, what's left to discover, and why it matters. There's more than what we see.

And joining me in studio today is Adam Bristol. Hi, Adam.

Hey, Andrei. Thanks for having me.

So this week we have a return guest on inquiring minds, Mario Livio.

He's an astrophysicist and an internationally best-selling author.

And last time we talked to him about curiosity and the importance of curiosity in science

and in all endeavors that require creativity.

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