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Julian's work and which he likes his work has always made those in power very fearful and made them very afraid

Good afternoon Michael Malis here. Let that be a welcome for the next hour. This is going to be an extremely special and important episode in my opinion. We have with us Gabe Shipton

He is Julian Assange's brother. He's the producer of the film Ithaca, which tells the story of Julian's political imprisonment through the eyes of his wife

and their shared dad. Gabe, you're in Australia right now correct? Yeah, that's right Michael. Good to be with you this morning.

So I have a lot of questions to discuss. I personally made it a point not to do my homework for this episode because in my opinion

and I don't think it's really controversial on your brother Julian Assange is probably the the biggest political prisoner on earth today.

There is an enormous amount of disinformation and misinformation about him in the media. In my view, and I don't think this controversial either, this is by design, there is very much an attempt to muddy the waters to make it seem like there's some ambiguity about what he's being put through and what he's being accused of in my view. There is not much ambiguity there at all. He's being treated far worse than people who have literally been caught murdering fingerprints on film and so on and so forth and the conditions he's under are less than ideal, less than civil

eyes to put it mildly. One of the things I'm sure on some level, there's a part of you that is sick of answering the same questions over and over. But on the other hand, I imagine there's a party that's like, look, every day that my brother is behind bars. That means I have a duty to yes, maybe it's annoying to repeat the same questions over and over, but as long as he's there, you know, I have to carry that burden. Is that an accurate representation?

Yeah, that's right. It's a battle of narratives, you know, and that's what that's a lot of the work that we do, me, Stella Gillian's wife and John, is changing that narrative, changing those, as you said, the misconceptions, the muddied waters and really getting the facts out, the truth about the case and so that's exactly right. We do this a lot and that's part of our advocacy work for Gillian.

So let's, let me tell, I'm going to repeat the narrative that Karen believes, which, and here's the other thing that drives me crazy and before we get to that, the same corporate journalists who have meltdowns, if Taylor ends has a nasty tweet directed at her on Twitter, seem to have little concern and regard that as an affront to the first amendment, seem to have little concern about your brother being incarcerated in an embassy for years without literal sunlight.

Then dragged about forcibly and put behind bars. It's, I would love to hear your thoughts on this kind of, I don't know if I'd use the word hypocrisy, but how would you regard it?

Well, I think that's exactly right. It's hypocrisy, you know, elite, the sort of elite class of journalists who put themselves above everybody else, it's like they're in their own little club, you know, and they all band together and protect each other.

And through Gillian, and through Gillian, and through his work at WikiLeaks, really exposed, you know, the corporate media, the legacy media or whatever you want to call it, and how it functions, arm and arm with, you know, corporations and governments and the military and the intelligence services.

So these, you know, these elite journalists and, you know, we're all exposed for doing the dirty work of the military industrial complex of corporations around the world and the government.

So I'm not surprised that there's no love lost, you know, on Gillian's case.

And they have, in the recent history, they have, you know, started to realize that, you know, this attack on Gillian, you know, also could potentially affect them, you know, criminalizing the work that they do in communicating with their sources, publishing classified information.

So, you know, we've seen some of them come around and begin to defend Gillian, calling on the Garland Department of Justice to drop this, you know, most famously, I think last, at the end of last year was the New York Times, wrote a letter to the Garland Department of Justice calling for them to end the endless prosecutions against Gillian.

So there has been a little bit of a, a little bit of a change, but definitely it is, you know, corporate journalism, it's an elite club and if you didn't go to the right schools or if you didn't go to, if you didn't work your way up through these corporate news organizations, you know, you're not one of them and that's how they see Gillian.

That's a, that's a George Carlin joke. It's a big club and you ain't in it. I'm glad to hear that about the New York Times. I was not aware of that. So I've lifted them a few rungs in hell. Let, let me give you the corporate narrative about Gillian, what he did, and then you can debunk it as effectively as possible.

People who are familiar with his name and are not really as aware of what the circumstances were. Okay, so this is again the narrative that someone who's not paying attention is going to believe this isn't these are not my views.

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