All right, we're back with another episode of Gavin Girls' Meets style. This is a show

which rules and I have conversations with people who we think are interesting. Right,

George? Yeah. Yeah. Well, the football. Yeah. Exactly. Different

profiles. We've had former players, current players, not just former players, we had slaughter.

We had slaughter. Yeah. Both the former players and current players are

like, say, but I'm this time we've got something a bit different because this is

somebody who did not play professional football and this is somebody who was in

the right place at the right time. Carpe de'end the situation. Exactly. And became a

super influential person running football operations. Hey, I'm Mike Ford. I've gone

from working 25 years in this professional sports industry, spanning US and

European sports. I'm going to kick off just with with your story because you were

not, I'm sure you were fine footballer in your youth, but you were never a

professional footballer. And yet you got to work, but you started a professional

football and then moved out across other sports as well. I think a lot of

people who know they're not going to be pursuing that professional sports

career would love to have a gig like the ones you've had or the ones you have

now. So can you tell us a little bit about your story because I'm assuming a lot of

it often has to do with being in the right place at the right time as well as

being good at good at what you do. Yeah, I know. I would always put a tremendous

amount of credit to the people that give you a chance at any sort of career. So

you ride gaps. I was probably one of the first of a generation that came into

professional football. That wasn't an ex-player, but came into what we'd call

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