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We have with us today Madison Trammell. He is the publisher of B and H academic, which provides resources for undergraduate and

graduate theological education.

His new book is Fundamentalists in the Public Square, evolution, alcohol, and culture wars after the

scopes trial. That's our topic today. Welcome, Dr. Trammell. Thank you, Mark. It's great to be here.

This is a fun way to spend a day during the Christmas break. Okay, okay. Now, I must be wrong.

I thought fundamentalists have no right to enter the public square,

or if they do, they should keep their mouth shut. Isn't that correct?

So the way the story of fundamentalism has been told, they were maybe overengaged in the

public square in the early part of the 20th century. Then they entered the Scopes trial full of them in vigor.

They won the trial, but lost in the court of public opinion. And after that, they were embarrassed.

And they withdrew and just sort of focused on building their own institutions, the left behind trying

to influence culture. That has been the story. And I'm sure it's true. Some people would rather they would stay out of the public square.

But I was arguing that the opposite, that they actually never did withdraw, not fully.

Well, you know, the story, the myth, we'll call it that, in a way in terms of the myth being sort of a public meaning that people take as generally true.

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