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It's Hacks on Tapp with David Axelrod, John Heilman, and Mike Murphy from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Music It all starts with physical fitness and appearance.

If the Secretary of War can do regular hard PT, so can every member of our joint

force.

Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat generals

and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon and leading commands around the country and the world.

It's a bad look.

Okay, you know what else is a bad look? Uprooting the entire General Corps, the U.S. Army,

and the Navy and the Air Force, and the National Security apparatus, make them sit around like props for a lunatic and an embarrassing Secretary of Defense, by the way, good enough for

Marshall and Forstall, good enough for Marshall and

Forrestal, good enough for me. We have a great guest here to talk about how lunatic things are,

how crazy this is. You want to laugh. You ought to cry. Johnny Heilman, good to see you, pal.

Good to see you, man. And I am out there, unfortunately, the great guest. The great guest is Charlie Sykes. Yes. But, you know, Charlie, Mike teed me up as a guy. I mean, I'm always a guest in Mike's home. It feels, I got to say, though, I'm feeling Charlie, you know, there was a concern. You know, there was a little mystery around this thing. How you doing, by the way? You're right? Day by day, what can I say?

Yeah, I mean, you're in good, you're in good shape.

You can do a pull-up or two, a push-up or two, right? I mean, you, Hank Seth would approve of your physical composition, right? Yeah, I'd make a great warfighter. Yeah.

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