From Ukraine and Beyond: Unpacking the Sino-Russian Relationship

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🗓️ 22 April 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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This is the national security podcast crossover of the century! Or at least of the year...ok maybe of Spring 2022! For this special episode, Doyle Hodges of TNSR and “Horns of a Dilemma” hosts Zack Cooper, Melanie Marlowe, and Chris Preble of “Net Assessment.” They try to sort through relations between Moscow and Beijing in this time of war, as well as a whole bunch of related issues. And yes, they engage in the airing of grievances, a “Net Assessment” tradition. Make sure you subscribe to their podcasts, which are a part of the War on the Rocks family.

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0:00.0	You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on strategy, defense, and foreign affairs.
0:16.1	My name is Ryan Evans, but I will not be hosting this episode of the podcast.
0:20.3	This is an ambitious crossover episode that will rock the national security world.
0:24.8	Okay, maybe not, but it will make for great listening anyway.
0:28.2	This episode features Doyle Hodges who hosts our Horns of a dilemma podcast,
0:31.6	as well as Zach Cooper, Melanie, Marlow, and Chris Preble who hosts our net assessment podcast.
0:36.0	They are talking about the Russian relationship with China, an important topic not just for the war in Ukraine, but the future of of world order and I hope you enjoy the show.
0:45.0	Hey I'm Chris Preble with the Atlantic Council.
0:48.0	Thanks Doyle for doing this and to Ryan for sponsoring this crossover episode.
0:54.4	Zach Melli and I were interested in a couple different articles in foreign affairs
0:59.8	over the last couple of weeks.
1:01.6	There was one by the historian Aud Arn Westad on the next
1:05.8	signer Russian split and then the following week Sergei Rachenko and Marie Serrat published a sort of a similar article but more focused on the history of the Russia-China relationship.
1:19.0	And for me, the thing that stood out from the first article, the West Ed article was about sort of
1:26.8	throwing some cold water on the idea of Russia and China being inevitably linked or natural allies in some deep enduring way.
1:39.0	This seems more of a alliance of convenience or increasingly for Beijing an alliance of inconvenience as it were and so sort of focusing on the potential for a split and then the subsequent article the Radchenko Serrat article was was much
1:55.8	more focused on the history and Westad hinted at this and that is that there are
2:00.2	parallels between the current Russia-China relationship now and Imperial Germany
2:06.8	and the failing Austro-Hungarian Empire prior to World War I, which is worrying on many different levels. So those two
2:17.1	aspects of the of the current crisis and sort of how it harkens back to history or what
2:21.5	interests me the most right now. I'm Melanie Marlow of CSIS and this was a really
2:27.2	interesting topic to me because I think that you know I mean I just kind of at the beginning of this war maybe China didn't really
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