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I'm Surruti. I'm Hannah.

And welcome to Red-Handed.

And today, we don't usually do this.

We don't usually give warnings because I kind of feel like if you're an adult listening to a true crime podcast, like you know what you're letting yourself in for.

But this week's episode, we wanted to give you guys a warning. This is a really fucked up story. There is a lot of child sexual abuse occurring in this story. We're not going to go into obviously the details of it, but we are going to talk about what we think is important to put the story into context. So if you don't feel like you're up for that, if you don't really feel like you can handle it, just don't listen. He's one of the most depraved people

that I feel like I've come across in a long time. He's just fucking evil. He's like completely

depraved. So you've been warned with that. We're going to get started now. We're going

to Wales today. Have we been to Walesales today have we been to wales before

i have been to wales before no have we done a case i meant not have you physically been to wales

oh right so like thinking about the time i went to wales and i stayed in this place that's pronounced

portmaddock but it's written portham a dog portmadddoch. It's beautiful. It's like a, like a little chocolate box town. Yeah, it was nice. It was nice. We stayed in a little static caravan on the beach. It was good. We haven't been to Wales before, I don't think. So first opportunity to crack out a Welsh accent just to like ease us into this horrifying case. Have you got one? We're off de Wales today. That's not

terrible. Down to the valleys. No, that's not a lot. He's a valley boy. What off to Wales? Down to the

valleys. No, I've lost it. I can't do it. I can say a Welsh name in a Welsh accent. Go on. Say Ian

Watkins in a Welsh accent. No, it's a girl's name. I can only say one word in Welsh accent.

Oh, man. Ang had it. Okay. Good. So I can say we're off to wheels, off to the valleys. They're only gay in the village. There's a Welsh version of Thomas the Tank Engine called Iva the Engine. Oh my God. And I think it might be older than Thomas the Tank Engine. and they're all Welsh in that and that's what you sound like you sound like the guy who narrates over the engine.

So I sound like an old. Oh my God. And I think it might be older than Thomas the Tank Engine. And they're all Welsh in that.

And that's what you sound like.

You sound like the guy who narrates I over the engine.

So it sound like an old Welsh train. An old Welsh train, yeah. Good. I think his, like, woo, woo, whistle is a church organ or something, I think. Oh, that's all right. I can't remember. I don't know why I was watching either the engine.

Yeah, I mean, that's very complicated story.

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