From The New Yorker Radio Hour: The TikTok Ban Is “Rooted in Hypocrisy” with Katie Drummond

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🗓️ 6 June 2024

⏱️ 25 minutes

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David Remnick talks with Katie Drummond, the global editorial director of Wired magazine, about the TikTok ban that just passed with bipartisan support in Washington. The app will be removed from distribution in U.S. app stores unless ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns TikTok, sells it to an approved buyer. TikTok is suing to block that law. Is this a battle among tech giants for dominance, or a real issue of national security? Drummond sees the ban as a corporate crusade by Silicon Valley to suppress a foreign competitor with a superior product. The claim that TikTok is a national-security threat she finds “a vast overreach that is rooted in hypotheticals and that is rooted in hypocrisy, and in … a fundamental refusal to look across the broad spectrum of social media platforms, and treat all of them from a regulatory point of view with the same level of care and precision.”

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0:18.1	Welcome to Wired Politics Lab, a show about how tech is changing politics.
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0:26.1	We're taking a break this week, but we wanted to share a podcast episode from our friends
0:29.7	at the New Yorker Radio Hour.
0:31.5	On this episode, WIRE's global editorial director, Katie Drummond, discusses the ongoing battle
0:36.9	between the U.S. government and TikTok
0:38.6	with New Yorker editor David Remnick.
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