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Join us as we take a closer look at the secret world of intelligence.

We are joined today by Joe Whipple, who is the Director of Graduate Studies, Professor of

the Practice of International Relations at the Boston University Party School of Global Studies.

He is also a former CIA officer who spent a 30-year career as an operations officer in the National

Clandestines Service, although at the time it's probably the Director of Operations.

Whipple has served overseas as an operations officer and operations manager in Bonn, West Germany.

For the kids out there, there used to be a country called West Germany.

Guatemala City, Luxembourg, Madrid, Spain, Mexico City, Vienna, Austria, and Berlin, Germany, where he was the station chief.

On assignments and CIA Headquarters, he served as a deputy chief of human resources,

as a senior NCS representative to the Aldrich Ames Damage Assessment team, as Chief of Europe Division,

and as the CIA's Director of Congressional Affairs.

Whipple has coordinated extensively with other members of the U.S. Intelligence Community,

and prior to his arrival at Boston University

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