Hey everybody, Greg Laurie here. You're listening to the Greg Laurie podcast. And my objective is to

deliver, hopefully, compelling practical insights and faith, culture, and current events from a Biblical

perspective to find out more about our ministry, just go to our website, harvest.org. So thanks

for joining me for this podcast. Pastor Greg Laurie has the opportunity to interview Pastor Chuck

Smith, founding pastor of the Calvary Chapel Network of Churches. Now, Pastor Chuck has been a mentor

of yours for many years, and it all started on his front porch when you were a teenager, didn't it?

Yeah, really did Dave. I was 17 years old. I was newly converted. I was attending the church

where Chuck is the pastor, Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa. And he did a sermon one Sunday morning

on John 4 with a woman at the well, you know, where Jesus said to her, if you drink of this water,

you'll thirst again. But if you drink of the water, I give you'll never thirst again. So I had this

idea for a cartoon strip. Now, understand that my background is graphic design pretty much

throughout my childhood. I was a cartoonist. I was submitting my cartoons to a various publications,

some had already been published. I mean, my whole goal in life was to be a professional

cartoonist. And so when I heard this message, it kind of went through the filter of my cartoonist

brain, if you will. And I reinterpreted it and made a little booklet out of it, or as it

are a track as we sometimes call them. And I called it living waters on the cover of the words

living water. And as you open it up, there's a little cartoon character. And he's got a hole in

his heart. And he's trying to fill with various things. And in the end, like waters coming out of

his heart. And so I was in high school still at the time. And in my art class, the assignment was

draw cartoon strip. Well, for me, that's the easiest thing I could do. I did it all the time. But

I thought, I'm going to illustrate Pastor Chuck's sermon on the woman at the well. And so I came

up with this living water truck. And I decided after I was done, I'm going to go show Chuck. And I

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