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Pastor Greg Lorry has the opportunity to interview Pastor Chuck Smith, founding pastor

of the Calvary Chapel Network of Churches. Now, Pastor Chuck has been a mentor of yours

for many years, and it all started on his front porch when you were a teenager, didn't it? Yeah, I really did, Dave. I was 17 years old. I was newly converted, and I was attending the church where Chuck is the pastor, Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa. And he did a sermon one Sunday morning on John 4 with a woman at the well, you know, where Jesus said to her, if you drink of this water,

you'll thirst again. But if you drink of the water I give, you'll never thirst again. So I had this

idea for a cartoon strip. Now, understand that my background is graphic design. Pretty much

throughout my childhood, I was a cartoonist. I was submitting my cartoons to various publications. Some had

already been published. I mean, my whole goal in life was to be a professional cartoonist. And so

when I heard this message, it kind of went through the filter of my cartoonist brain, if you

will, and I reinterpreted it and made a little booklet out of it or a track as we sometimes call them and I

called it Living Water. So on the cover of the words Living Water and as you open it up, there's a little

cartoon character and he's got a hole in his heart and he's trying to fill with various things

and in the end like water's coming out of his heart. And so I was in high school still at the time.

And in my art class, the assignment was draw a cartoon strip. Well, for me, that's the easiest thing I could do. I did it all the time. But I thought, I'm going to illustrate Pastor Chuck's sermon on the woman at the well. And so I came up with this Living Water Chuck. And I decided after I was done, I'm going to go show Chuck. And I found out where he lived, and I knocked on the front door, and he opens it up. And there I'm standing before him. Hello, Chuck, I'm Greg Lorry, and I'm a cartoonist, and I go to school here, not far from your house. And I drew this little booklet called Livingwater, and I showed it to him and he was looking it over and I saw a little

smile come on his face and he said, Greg, I really like this. And Chuck had the idea of taking this

little booklet and printing it out. And so he said, why don't you redraw it again, but do it in this

size format and then we'll make them into little booklets and hand them out. And so I went back and redrew it and brought it back to him.

And then it was printed.

I think they did 10,000 the first time out, and then maybe 100,000 the second time out.

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