From the archive – Zbig: the man who shaped the world

The Two Matts

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News, News Commentary, Government, Politics

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🗓️ 19 August 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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The Matts are taking a well-deserved break, so while they recharge their batteries here’s an interview from the archive to enjoy.

The Matts are joined by acclaimed author and FT journalist Edward Luce to talk about his new book Zbig— the definitive biography of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Cold War strategist and key architect of U.S. foreign policy. More than just a biography, Zbig offers sharp insights into the nature of power and America’s role in the world. If you want to understand how global strategy is shaped, this episode is essential listening.

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