From the archive: How to grow your moral ambition, with Rutger Bregman
The Two Matts
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4.4 • 523 Ratings
🗓️ 12 August 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
The Matts are taking a well-deserved break, so while they recharge their batteries here’s an interview from the archive to enjoy.
The Matts are joined by Dutch popular historian and author Rutger Bregman to discuss his new book, Moral Ambition. How does the world change for the better? Why do so many talented people do bullsh*t jobs? And what’s wrong with a life spent worrying about reducing your carbon footprint to zero? Rutger’s a man with strong opinions on all the above and more. It’s a fascinating in-depth interview on what you - yes, YOU! - need to do to fix the planet. Enjoy!
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