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The Audio Long Read

From the archive: ‘We were all wrong’: how Germany got hooked on Russian energy

The Audio Long Read

The Guardian

Society & Culture

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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We are raiding the Guardian long read archives to bring you some classic pieces from years past, with new introductions from the authors. This week, from 2022: Germany has been forced to admit it was a terrible mistake to become so dependent on Russian oil and gas. So why did it happen? By Patrick Wintour. Read by Andrew McGregor. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/longreadpod

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:08.8

The Guardian Archive Long Read.

0:20.3

Hi, my name's Patrick Winter, and I'm the author of article entitled We Were All Wrong,

0:26.6

how Germany got hooked on Russian Energy and it was published in 2022.

0:33.3

Well, slightly oddly, I studied history at university and I largely forgot about history for a long time after university because I was covering politics, which was very immediate and nowish.

0:46.3

And then when I moved to write about international relations, I slowly discovered how useful it had been to study history, both because it helps you to think about

0:55.4

why other people think the way they do, and there's always a reason for it.

0:59.0

And the second was just to understand how much of what you are reporting on now is born of

1:05.7

events 10, 20 years, 30 years previously. And in this case, I was writing about the sort of buildup and start

1:13.9

of the Ukraine war and how Russia had invaded. And one of the things that became incredibly

1:21.8

clear very early on was the degree to which Germany was in a contradictory position of being very supportive of Ukraine

1:29.3

and Zelensky in its sovereignty, and at the same time it was pouring money into the Russian

1:35.9

coffers and so arming and funding the arming of the Russian army that was causing so much

1:42.1

damage in Ukraine.

1:43.5

And I just started to think about why this contradiction existed,

1:47.3

why it was so difficult for Germany to extricate itself from that.

1:50.9

And the reasons weren't purely economic.

1:53.3

They were also ideological.

1:56.2

A lot of the article was really looking at the early battles

2:00.3

going on inside the German coalition government

2:02.8

about trying to wean itself off Russian energy. And to a large degree, it has, but not completely

2:09.5

by any means, and there's still huge loopholes in the way the sanctions operate. But a lot of

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