Ted Audio Collective

You know, killing culture is now less of a crime than killing people.

Yeah.

Because it kills their mind.

And their spirit.

And their spirit.

But of course, if we would have to put in prison people that do this kind of crime,

they would be able to be too small as a prison.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 17 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with some of the world's most creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

And now, some of those interviews appear in print in Debbie's brand new book,

Why Design Matters, Conversations with the world's most creative people.

It's coming out in February of 2020.

In anticipation of the book, every Thursday, we're going to be releasing an interview from the archives,

in addition to our new episodes that come out on Mondays.

We thought it would be fun for listeners to hear not only some great interviews,

but also to hear how the podcast has evolved over the years.

So we're going to release the oldest ones first and proceed chronologically.

In September of 2010, Debbie interviewed the late great Italian designer, Massimo Vignelli.

They talked about his favorite typeface, his fight against vulgarity and meaningless design,

and what he means by forceful design.

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