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🗓️ 26 November 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is The Guardian. |
| 0:02.0 | The Guardian Archive Long Read. |
| 0:11.0 | My name is Isabel Thompson and I'm the author of If You Decide to Cut Staff, People Die, How Nottingham Prison Descended Into Chaos, which was published in 2022. |
| 0:33.3 | I was initially drawn to this story because we've all read headlines about the crisis in British prisons, |
| 0:42.2 | but I was curious as to why this was happening and then how this crisis was affecting the lives of those who live and work in prisons. |
| 0:52.4 | Since the article was published, |
| 0:55.2 | pressures on the prison system remain really acute. |
| 0:58.6 | So prisons were operating at a 99% capacity. |
| 1:04.3 | Rates of violence have surged. |
| 1:06.6 | There's a drive to build super prisons |
| 1:09.3 | and produce more prison places. |
| 1:12.7 | Equally, there are plans afoot to potentially scrap many custodial sentences under 12 months, |
| 1:20.0 | push community-based alternatives, possibly reward good behaviour with earlier release. |
| 1:26.6 | So this could signal a shift towards less people |
| 1:29.6 | entering prisons and also people staying inside prisons for shorter amounts of time. But I guess really |
| 1:37.1 | the issue at hand isn't just about prisons, but what happens outside them in the community. For example, what measures can be taken to reduce |
| 1:48.6 | re-offending. We need to take action on prisons, but also the services that surround them. And that's a |
| 1:56.4 | conversation that hopefully will be picked up now and in months and years to come. |
| 2:03.1 | I think there's a gap between people's views on punishment and then their faith in how we |
| 2:10.6 | actually choose to punish people. So by that, I mean, you know, being tough on crime is clearly |
| 2:16.5 | a really politically effective message but I don't |
| 2:20.0 | actually think many people believe that prisons as they currently operate are that effective so maybe |
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