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Today's from the archive is an episode of DSR focusing on the 2022 meeting between Joe Biden and Mohammed bin Salman. Rosa Brooks, David Sanger and Ed Luce joined David to discuss the merits of the meeting and the democracy versus autocracy framing of American foreign policy. We hope you enjoy.

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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C.

And from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to another edition of podcast. I'm your host David Rothka if I'm coming to you from somewhere not too far from New York City coming to us from, you know, America's badlands is Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University law school.

It's not badlands technically, but it's, it's rough and ready out there. Have you like killed a bison or something?

No, I'm in Wyoming. We have a little miniature badlands. It's only about a mile from me. It's sort of a cute tiny badlands about the size of football field.

Size badlands. It's fascinating. Coming from another remote location further north. We have David singer at the New York Times. How you doing, David?

Good. Good. I'm sort of imagining, you know, Rosa out there with the heirs of TR going after Buffalo, but up here in Vermont, we don't get many Buffalo.

We get with the little bears, not like, you know, the real bears that rose against.

Rosa has been known to ride a grizzly there.

I have taken them. I played, I played my little flute and they lay down at my feet.

So maybe my servants.

No, calamity rosy color. And then one of us, I'm sorry to say is remaining inside a city, hard at work, knows to the grindstone.

And that of course is endless of the financial times. How are you doing?

I'm very good. No, no glamour from me today.

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