Hey there, Book Riot Podcast listeners.

We are mixing things up a little bit today to share a preview of another podcast that we've

been enjoying and that we think y'all will be into as well.

It's called Talk Easy with Sam Fragasso and it's a different kind of

interview show than you're probably used to. Sam explores questions big and small through dialogues

that are driven by curiosity, compassion, and an abundance of research. that sentence probably tells you why Jeff and I are fans. Each Sunday

Sam invites actors, writers, activists, and musicians to come to the table and speak from the heart in

ways that you probably haven't heard them do before. Some of our favorite interviews

include talks with Ocean Vuong, Nicki Giovanni, George Saunders, Roxanne Gay,

and glory Edam, who, of course, you know, we are big fans of here at the Book Riot Podcast.

In today's preview, y'all will hear Sam in conversation with journalist and best-selling author Michael Lewis.

Listeners of this show, of course, know that Jeff and I appreciate Michael Lewis's ability to really present complex ideas and systems through compelling stories.

You've probably heard us refer to our all-time fave,

the Undoing Project, in which he explored Daniel Kahneman

and Amos Tversky's groundbreaking research

about cognitive biases.

If you haven't read Michael Lewis before,

you might still be familiar with his work

from having seen Moneyball or The Big Short or the Blind Side,

all of which are based on his books.

Or maybe you know him from his podcast against the rules, which takes a hard look at what's happened to fairness

in American society and is back for its third season today so be sure to check that out

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