Hey, Peter. What's up?

Do you have any hobbies?

I do.

What's up?

I have several hobbies.

I like to putter around my driveway on Saturday mornings.

I'm Adam Dennis. I'm Peter Martin. And you're listening to the You'll Hear Podcast. Daily Jazz Advice coming at you. Coming at you brought to you by Open Studio. And today we have a question. This was actually brought to us via text message. That's how close we are with this person. Hold on now. Do we accept those? We do. I think we have to if we know them that well. All right. Well, I'm going to go ahead. So Adam Maness's telephone number is. No, no, no, no, no. This is from our dear friend Rob. And Rob actually asked us a question a couple weeks ago that we answered about a musical question. But this was a more interesting thing. And Rob and I have played together a little bit, and he's, you know, he's, he was instrumental in opening the National Blues Museum

down here in St. Louis. He's a great guy. And we've had some great conversations. And he, he kind of

texts me a link to this New York Times article called In Praise of Mediocrity. And if you can you can find it, I would

highly suggest, and if you're below your monthly limit of free articles. Oh, you don't subscribe?

I do subscribe, right, right. I highly suggest reading the article because it's, of course,

the New York Times well written. It's a very interesting thought-provoking piece but it's

the just of the just of it the gist of it is that you know people shy away from hobbies now more than

they used to because of the need to be perfect or great at at anything right you know the pressure

to just be the best even if it's something that you're not a professional at.

Sink or swim, baby.

Yeah, so I'll just read you Rob's text a little bit.

And he says, I don't know if your audience is more serious musicians and serious hobbyists,

but you might consider a discussion about the joys of being a hobbyist slash enthusiast at a lower level and someone who was trying to just get a little

bit better. Not a criticism at all, but this article made me reflect on that. Also on reflection,

part of what me do those gigs, we did some gigs a few months back to see if I could hang.

But I think what he was really, the point of what we was saying is, could we talk about maybe

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