Between the 19, well, the Iranian hostage rescue mission and your time as a, as the exercise

planner, there was also urgent fury in Grenada that that kind of went south too. But you were

on that mission ready to go. Can you watch through that experience?

Yeah. Well, before Urgent Fury, I was on another mission before Urgent Fury between the two.

I went into Sudan. So, yeah, this mission's not, I haven't really told this mission much about going into Sudan.

What happened is the vice president of Sudan came to the United States.

One of the things he Rick asked for was a team to go to Sudan to evaluate the security of the president of Sudan.

President of Sudan was a guy named Numari at that time.

So myself and Bud Morgan, two people from Delta, went with another team, and we went over into Sudan.

So, and it evaluated the President's security of Sudan.

My job was to look at the EOD folks in Sudan, the Army EOD folks that they have. The Army EOD folks in

Sudan were trained by the Brits. So I went into Sudan and I started to create a VIP EOD support to

the president of Sudan. So I went with the Sudanese EOD and spent time with them to learn how they operated.

And at this time in Khartoum, there was terrorist bombings going on. There was a group of terrorists from

Chad that were setting off sophisticated digital time electronic IEDs in Sudan.

And so I worked with them.

One time we went to the airport there in Khartoum, and the Sudanese had great intelligence.

So we went to the airport, and they captured, they got these two suitcases.

And we took them to a small room.

And they were really heavy, large, like, Samsonite-type suitcases.

They opened them up in this room.

Just opened up the suitcases.

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