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When opponents of school choice talk about pending policies,

the language is not just heated, it's apocalyptic.

And it doesn't really matter how big the choice program in question might be.

Jason Bedrick directs policy at Ed Choice.

His big takeaways that if people defending the status quo are going to go nuclear no matter

what, the clear lesson for

lawmakers pondering choice legislation is to go big whenever there is a school

choice program that is being offered. There is a, why hate to say it, but it's really a

predictable response from the groups that are opposed. The differences among the proposals doesn't really seem to have much

of an impact on how the traditional institutions respond to the school choice program.

It could be a small program, it could be a large program, the responses are largely the same.

So to the extent that these people who are defenders of, for lack of a better term, Big Ed, the education

establishment, what do those what do those claims look like well

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