Hey, you're listening to Unlimited Hangout. I'm your host, Whitney Webb.

After taking some time off from the podcast for the holidays, we are back today and joined by

repeat guest Robbie Martin, an independent journalist, documentary filmmaker, and host of

the Media Roots podcast. Today, Robbie and I will be discussing some key people in the current

Trumpverse, their role in promoting Q&N narratives, despite

their deep state pass, with a focus on Rudy Giuliani and his longtime protege and now Trump

surrogate, Bernard Carrick. We will also be touching on the newest and currently most controversial

figure around the pro-Trump team seeking to challenge the election, Lynn Wood, and how the

Stop the Steel movement is likely to play out over the course of January, particularly in the

lead-up to inauguration day on January 20th. So thanks for coming back on Unlimited Hangout, Robbie.

It's great to have you back on. Thanks for having me on again, Whitney.

Of course. So we are recording this on Tuesday, January 5th, a day before what is likely to be a final stop-the-steel rally in Washington, D.C. As some of you may know, that rally tomorrow takes place on the same day that the votes of the electoral college are to be counted. Earlier today,

we had Trump tweet out that, quote, the vice president has the power to reject fraudulently chosen

electors, end quote, hinting that Mike Pence could act to dismiss the votes of some and possibly

many electors. Of course, if that were to happen, we would collectively be thrown into a tornado of electoral chaos pretty quickly,

raising the specter of a lot of the false flag and manufactured violence concerns that we were talking about back closer to Election Day.

So, Robbie, before we get into some of these more interesting figures currently surrounding Trump,

who have been guiding key parts of

this Stop the Steel movement and both official and unofficial capacities. What are your expectations

of this rally tomorrow? And do you think it's possible that either Pence or someone else may

intervene in the electoral vote counting process? Yeah, well, the Mike Pence thing is really interesting to me because not just Lynn Wood,

but other people in the Trump administration, including Trump himself this morning, have put

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