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The Money with Katie Show

From “Careers” to “Callings”: When Work Becomes Your Identity

The Money with Katie Show

Money with Katie

Self-improvement, Education, Business, Investing, How To

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 August 2022

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

If you consciously or subconsciously derive your identity from your work, what happens when that work goes away? Moreover, how do we reconcile the advice we hear from everyone from Steve Jobs to Steve Aoki to “follow our passion” (and, in case it wasn’t clear, monetize it) with the advice to also maintain some semblance of “work/life balance” or separation between the metaphoric church and state? Is it a bad thing to love your work, or is it something to strive for? My guest this week is the impressive Nora Ali—host of Morning Brew’s Business Casual, Harvard grad with a degree in statistics and quantitative finance, former Goldman Sachs analyst, concert violinist, and current media venture founder (i.e., someone who knows a thing or two about being conventionally successful and identifying with your credentials). This week’s episode will give you a lot to chew on if you find yourself sneaking off to hammer out a few more emails after dinner. — Mentioned in the Episode - Derek Thompson's piece, The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/religion-workism-making-americans-miserable/583441/ - Robert Frank's piece, The Wall Street Journal: https://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2007/03/21/the-workaholic-rich/ — Follow Along - Listen to Money with Katie here: https://www.podpage.com/money-with-katie-show/ - Read Money with Katie: https://moneywithkatie.com/ Follow Money with Katie! - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/moneywithkatie/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/moneywithkatie - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@moneywithkatie Subscribe to Morning Brew - Sign up for free today: https://bit.ly/morningbrewyt Follow The Brew! - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/morningbrew/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/MorningBrew - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@morningbrew Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.5

What happens when the line between you and your work becomes blurred when your job becomes your

0:08.4

identity, when your title becomes how you define yourself outside of work too? This isn't rhetorical.

0:16.0

I recently found myself grappling with this and it gave me a lot to think about because in a

0:20.6

society powered by capitalism, the hustle and grind culture, who am I if I'm not my work ethic?

0:29.0

To make matters more complicated, identifying strongly with and therefore committing deeply

0:34.5

to your work can be very lucrative, creating a dopamine-fueled feedback loop that's hard to break.

0:41.7

The downside is the complete co-mingling of work in life means you may feel

0:47.2

existentially lost without that driving structure of work in your life. So let's get into it.

1:00.7

Welcome back to the Money with Katie Show Rich Girls and Voice. Today's episode is going to be

1:05.8

a little bit meta. If you ever tried to watch TV while working, maybe in a weird attempt to

1:18.6

make the work more enjoyable or because you can't sit down and watch TV guiltlessly without

1:24.3

also doing something productive, it's a funny example that I think most people can relate to because

1:29.7

it demonstrates habitually how our work and our leisure time tends to blend together.

1:36.5

This topic has a tendency to get broad-fast, so I want to take pains to distinguish between the idea

1:42.0

of burnout, which is being chronically exhausted from a lack of work-life balance, and the idea

1:48.7

of not being able to separate yourself from your job, your vocation, your work, and more than

1:56.0

anything I want to pose a question. Is it bad to feel deeply connected with your work or is it

2:02.8

something to strive for? Particularly when we know that a lot of the time finding a monetizable

2:09.8

passion is a really good way to make a lot of money and have some fun doing it, which I have

2:15.6

spoken about previously at length. So that's what we'll be talking about today. The complications

2:21.0

of what happens when work becomes your identity. You'll also hear from my friend and colleague,

2:27.6

Nora Ali. Nora is an impressive person by pretty much any definition of the word. She graduated

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