From Against the Rules with Michael Lewis: Six Levels Down

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🗓️ 12 April 2022

⏱️ 10 minutes

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We’re sharing a special preview of the new season of Against the Rules from Pushkin Industries. In this clip, bestselling author Michael Lewis explores the idea that, in any big company, the person who can actually solve a problem is often buried six levels deep in the organization. You can hear more episodes of Against the Rules at podcasts.pushkin.fm/atrmd.

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0:00.0	Hey there, Frekenomics MD listeners.
0:05.2	This week we're dropping a little surprise for you in between our regularly scheduled
0:09.0	episodes.
0:10.2	It's the next search from a podcast where big fans of, against the rules.
0:14.6	On against the rules, financial journalists and bestselling author, Michael Lewis, takes
0:19.1	a hard look at authority figures in American life and tries to understand what their experiences
0:24.6	tell us about fairness.
0:26.7	He's talked to referees and coaches, and now he's taking on a new group, experts.
0:32.3	Michael wants to know, why is the country so good at creating experts so bad at taking
0:37.7	their advice?
0:39.3	This season on against the rules, you'll meet oceanographers and baseball writers, nurses
0:44.3	and former gang members, people who don't have a lot in common, but the mixed blessing
0:49.1	of their expertise.
0:50.7	The clip you're about to hear touches on a lot of the topics we discuss on Frekenomics
0:55.3	MD.
0:56.3	Frekenomics, healthcare and human behavior.
0:59.5	Michael speaks with Todd Park, entrepreneur and the former chief technology officer of
1:04.2	the United States.
1:05.8	His whole career has been based on the idea that in any big company, the person who actually
1:10.8	knows what you need to know to solve a problem is buried deep in the organization, six levels
1:16.1	down.
1:17.5	Todd first discovered this phenomenon by accident when he was starting his first company,
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