You're listening to Who's Tom and Dick, a weekly podcast with your host, Martin Weavers, fighting states for lung cancer and Patrick Mortimer, living with heart disease.

Why not grab yourself a cup of coffee?

Sit back and enjoy the chatter as we discuss and share information talking about tough subjects

and offering help, support and motivation with a positive mental attitude. Well, welcome Patrick.

Nice to see you again. Good afternoon, Martin. How the devil are you today?

I'm all right, and you're chomping down on a biscuit there, I can see, because we're in a tea garden, aren't we?

Yep, it's very nice. October and we're sitting outside. I know. We've got a special guest, so shall I introduce him? I'm delighted to introduce someone who's endured something we all think should never happen to us,

and it's the loss of the child.

I'd like to introduce you to Trevor by gate.

Hi, Trevor.

Good afternoon, Chris.

How are you doing?

We're doing.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for coming on.

Always.

I just realized I called you Trev there.

I've got a friend called Treve, so I hope you don't mind. You can call me anything you want. Thank you very much. My wife normally does.

Yeah. All right. Okay. We won't ask you what she says.

So can you take us back then, Trev, right where your sort of career sort of first started?

Because we know that you was in the Army. Yeah, so I joined the Army in 1998 when I was 20, so originally I wanted to be a professional

footballer and, you know, I went to school and played a lot of football and then I played

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