From 4Chan to Charlottesville: where the alt-right came from, and where it's going

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.5 • 11.1K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2017

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Angela Nagle spent the better part of the past decade in the darkest corners of the internet, learning how online subcultures emerge and thrive on forums like 4chan and Tumblr. The result is her fantastic new book, Kill All the Normies: Online Culture Wars From 4Chan And Tumblr to Trump and the Alt-Right, a comprehensive exploration of the origins of our current political moment. We talk about the origins of the alt-right, and how the movement morphed from transgressive aesthetics on the internet to the violence in Charlottesville, but we also discuss PC culture on the left, demographic change in America, and the toxicity of online politics in general. Nagle is particularly interested in how the left's policing of language radicalizes its victims and creates space for alt-right groups to find eager recruits, and so we dive deep into that. Books: Civilization and Its Discontents by Sigmund Freud This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things: Mapping the Relationship between Online Trolling and Mainstream Culture by Whitney Phillips The Net Delusion: The Dark Side of Internet Freedom by Evgeny Morozov Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Lisa Ling, a journalist and host.
0:07.2	And I'm Hoon Lee, but you may know me as Chao on the Max original series War Year, based
0:11.7	on the writings of Bruce Lee.
0:13.4	After every new episode, join us here Hoon and I, and a series of special guests are
0:18.6	going to discuss how the show is made.
0:21.0	So, stream War Year season 3, starting June 29 only on Max.
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0:31.0	On July 21st, the cinematic experience of the summer arrives.
0:37.0	Written and directed by Christopher Nolan, Oppenheimer is an epic thriller about the
0:40.8	man who risked destroying the world for the one chance to save it.
0:45.0	Featuring an incredible cast, including Robert Downey Jr., Emily Bluntz, Oscar Winner's
0:48.9	Matt Damon and Kenneth Brandock, Oscar nominee Florence Pugh, and Killian Murphy at
0:53.7	J. Robert Oppenheimer.
0:55.9	Watching theaters July 21st, rated R.
1:00.9	A figure like Richard Spencer, he has a kind of vision of the future.
1:05.1	It's all about sort of giving young white men a sense of pride and so on.
1:10.0	And that kind of stuff is powerful for a reason.
1:13.0	Hello and welcome to the Ezra Clanchon, the Vox Media Podcast Network.
1:27.9	My guest this week is Angela Nagel, who is the author of a really, really fascinating
1:32.3	and very well timed new book called Kill All Normies.
1:36.1	It's a book she began doing a PhD thesis on anti-feminist communities online and over
1:42.0	time it began to be a thesis and a very deeply researched and reported look into what became
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