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Welcome to the ArtLabs. Our special guest today is Lee Trow. Oh my God, it's Lee. Lee,

thank you so much for being here with us today. You're saying thanks for me. Thanks. Thanks to you, Bill. I appreciate it. It's a big opportunity for me, so thank you. No, this is awesome.

Your name just popped up on Twitter for me and I was like, looking at your profile, I said,

Lee would be somebody cool to talk to.

So we got to get Lee on the show.

So I do really appreciate that you agreed to jump

on with us today. It's going to be interesting. Yeah. Nah, it's going to be cool, dude. I'm excited to

here, especially, you know, you got a lava lamp in the background there. That already tells me

that like your old school, old school cool. There you. Thanks. I need to get a lava lamp now. I never owned a lava lamp.

Like I had friends.

You know, you got to remember I'm 53, right?

I kind of grew up in the 70s in a sense, right?

I graduated high school in 87.

We're going to talk about your life, though.

But like, lava lamps were a real thing for me growing up.

I never had one.

Maybe I had a really cheap one, but I knew people had like the super

expensive ones, you know, where the lava really just flowed. That's right. That's right.

The original. Yeah, the OG. It was a heavier glass. It was, I think, just higher quality like

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