I'm Nora Mcnerney and this is Terrible Thanks for Asking.

Today's a grief episode.

You know sometimes people aren't gives it a grief by a guest like I don't think so.

Maybe it is, but today's episode is for sure about grief.

Today's episode is about death. It's about loss and culturally.

I feel like we talk about certain kinds of loss and grief more than others.

So, losing a spouse, children, parents, but we don't really talk as much about the pain and the grief of losing a dear friend.

And similarly, we celebrate and we make holidays about all kinds of love, familial, romantic, but not really about that love that exists between platonic friends.

And I know that I've said, you know, best friends forever, best friends with the best friends a lot during a lifetime.

And I also know that it is so rare to have a friendship last forever, to have a friendship that lasts till the very end.

And that's what today's story is about.

The kind of friendship that lasts right up and tell the edge of forever.

It's the story of Josie and Miles.

And it starts all the way back in childhood in rural Georgia, in an organization that's a staple of rural America, 4-H.

4-H is a youth organization that is really focused on citizenship, leadership, education, basically just turning young people into the best versions of themselves.

The motto of 4-H is making the best better. There's an awesome pledge about head, heart, hands, and health and making your communities great.

And so Miles and I grew up with the H's R.

That's what the H's are, head, heart, hands, and health.

I love that because I remember the logo is a four-leaf clover.

Correct. We were very lucky, pun intended to be in 4-H together, learning about the 4-H's. We're both overachievers.

We were overachievers in childhood. We were very concerned about winning. If you didn't win, then you were the first loser.

There's no point competing if you weren't going to win. 4-H is very based in competition.

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