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🗓️ 4 November 2025
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President Donald Trump’s tariffs have rattled the global economy this year. That goes for both allies and adversaries of the United States. But the future of some of these tariffs hinge on the outcome of a Supreme Court case challenging their legality. On today’s show, Asma Khalid, co-host of “The Global Story” podcast from the BBC, joins Kimberly to explain what’s at stake. Plus, how international relationships are shifting in the Trump era.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Adams. Welcome back to Make Me Smart, where none of us is as smart as all of us. |
| 0:13.1 | President Trump's tariffs and trade deals or trade agreements or frameworks of deals or whatever |
| 0:20.3 | have transformed the landscape of the |
| 0:22.6 | global economy but for some of these tariffs the future is unclear this week |
| 0:28.4 | in particular the Supreme Court is set to hear arguments in a case challenging |
| 0:32.5 | the president's authority to impose some of the many many tariffs that he's |
| 0:36.9 | rolled out President Trump's overall |
| 0:39.5 | foreign policy, especially this term, is pretty significantly changing America's role in the |
| 0:46.0 | world, how other countries are interacting with us and how they're interacting with each other. |
| 0:51.0 | So we wanted to take a step back and look at just how that's playing out |
| 0:56.0 | and whether these changes are going to be lasting. |
| 0:59.0 | So here to make us smarter about this is Asma Khalid. She is the co-host of The Global Story, |
| 1:05.0 | which is a daily podcast from the BBC looking at the United States relationship with the rest of the world. And if her name |
| 1:11.9 | sounds extra familiar, it's because she was also the former White House correspondent for NPR |
| 1:16.9 | and a longtime friend of mine. Welcome to the show, Asma. Thank you for having me. I'm also so |
| 1:22.2 | flattered that in some ways you think I could help help us all make us a little smarter on this topic. |
| 1:27.7 | It is a favorite one of mine, so thank you. |
| 1:29.9 | You've been covering this for a long time and covering Trump for a long time. |
| 1:34.2 | And so I do think you've got really unique insight here. |
| 1:38.2 | Why are tariffs Trump's economic weapon of choice? |
| 1:42.7 | That's an excellent question, Kimberly. |
| 1:44.4 | And I think it's particularly interesting given that President Trump, and even when he was Donald Trump, going back decades, his partisan politics have evolved, right? |
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