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The Daily

Friday, Sept. 29, 2017

The Daily

The New York Times

News, Daily News

4.3107.6K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2017

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

If you are found to be guilty of murder and sane, you could spend 25 years in prison. But if you are found not guilty by reason of insanity, you could be confined to an institution for 587 years. Involuntary confinement in a state psychiatric hospital sometimes becomes a life sentence. Guests: Mac McClelland, a reporter who has written about Houston Herczog, her third cousin who was found not guilty of murdering his father by reason of insanity; Savannah Herczog, Mr. Herczog’s sister, who was at home the night their father was killed; Houston Herczog, who is confined at Napa State Hospital in California. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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From the New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro.

0:32.6

This is the Daily.

0:39.6

Today, if you're found to be guilty of murder and sane, you could spend 25 years in prison.

0:47.2

But if you're found to be not guilty by reason of insanity, you could be confined to an institution

0:54.5

for 587 years when not guilty is actually a life sentence.

1:03.4

It's Friday, September 29.

1:10.2

Mac, tell me about the first time that you went to visit Houston at Napa State Hospital.

1:15.8

There's like a prison fence, like a tall fence, and there's barbed wire, and you have

1:21.7

to be let through a series of doors.

1:24.6

It's like you have to pass the one and then be in a corridor where that one is closed

1:29.0

before the next one will open.

1:31.2

Mac McLelland has been reporting on the small percentage of people who make their way through

1:35.9

the criminal justice system and end up in psychiatric hospitals.

1:40.1

And then, you know, behind this other heavy, like locked door, we're led into this room.

1:45.6

No colors, all of the patients are dressed in beige.

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