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But for now, George, should we get into it?

It's Friday. How are you? Yay. It's Friday. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm coming to the end of a really lovely, wonderful, amazing week on Hart. Because the lovely Pandora, she never takes off any time. So she never goes away on holiday. She never takes a break from radio. I know. Literally hasn't had a break the whole year. So I never get to cover her show anymore. So everyone at heart was like, please will you take a week off and go and rest? Which means I got the call-up. So I've just done her show for five days, which has been so nice. Yeah yeah really lovely um and the kids are obviously back

for school which i was a bit sad about i had such a nice half-term with them so i did and i didn't

go on i liked it i liked it but we normally make plans and or normally go away yeah and my kids my kids had a week and a half and I think that extra bit was a bit too much.

Right. We were a bit bored in the end. Like well they, not they were bored, but you know, like, the weather's a bit crap.

Like, I don't know. I don't know. I need to find the balance between not planning too much. Yes. But actually doing something. There we go. Yeah. Do you know what? And actually there was a part of me that was thinking I've actually taken three days off work here, but we stayed at home. We went to like the forest and we went for a bike ride and, you know, we went somewhere else and I can't remember shopping. But I was like, this is a bit of a waste, you know? I don't know. I was sort of tussling with the idea, is it a waste or actually, is this just normal life and this is what we should be doing more of? Because every time there's a half term holiday, We't be like, I'll tell you what, I'll drop a couple of grand and go somewhere on holiday.

It just doesn't work like that.

No, no.

That's, do you know what? That's so right. And actually it's a conversation like James and I've had because he gets normal like annual leave. Nat, you know, like he's got a, you know, a normal job and he gets holiday, which he's never had before.

And he doesn't really understand, like, the concept of it. And so, I'm like, why don't you just take a few days off, like, during half time? He's like, yeah, I know, but what are we doing? And I'm like, well, no, I know what you see. He's like, I don't want to take time off just to do nothing. And I get it.

But equally, doesn't everyone crave a little bit of doing nothing sometimes?

Yeah, it's that balance, isn't it? I don't know. I saw this quote on Instagram where it was like, if I sit on my sofa in my hoodie and trackseat bottoms that haven't been washed for five days watch

telly eat biscuits drink a cup of tea it's nobody's fucking business but myself

I was like yeah fucking right it just doesn't happen like it literally just doesn't happen

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