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Hello everyone and welcome to Fresh Take. From what fresh hell laughing in the face of

motherhood? This is Margaret.

And this is Amy. Today we're talking to Nicholas Epley. He is the John Templeton Keller

distinguished service professor of behavioral science and director of the Roman Family Center for Decision

Research at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. Nick studies social cognition, how thinking people

think about other thinking people to understand why smart people so routinely misunderstand each other.

He is the author of Mind-wise, How We Understand What Others Think, Believe, Feel, and Want.

And Nick's latest book, which we'll be talking about today, is A Little More Social,

how small choices create unexpected happiness, health, and connection. Welcome, Nick. Thank you so much

for having me here. Big bio, Nick. We're expecting a lot from you. No pressure. It doesn't fit on the back

of the jersey very well. So you start this book with a paradox.

So let's start there.

Tell us about the paradox that starts this book.

So the paradox is that we're highly social creatures.

Decades of research has shown that we are made happier and healthier.

We live longer lives, when we're connected with other people in positive ways.

And yet, just look around a little bit, if you would.

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