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Hello everyone and welcome to Fresh Take from What Fresh Hell laughing in the face of

motherhood. This is Margaret.

And this is Amy.

Today we're talking to Elizabeth Preston.

She is a science journalist who contributes regularly to the New York Times and has written

for science, the Boston Globe, the Atlantic, and others.

She is also the mother to two daughters, currently ages six and nine.

Today we'll be talking about Elizabeth's

Just Outbook, The Creatures Guide to Caring, How Animal Parents Teach Us, that humans were born to

care. Welcome, Elizabeth. Thanks so much for having me. I'm happy to be here. So as is true for so

many of our guests, the birth of your first child brought about a sea change that then kind of led to this book. So tell us about that.

Yeah, I mean, having a kid puts you into a whole other universe. It feels like a parallel universe almost. Right. You're like I was living my regular life and now I'm in the same world, but everything is different. You kind of have a fresh length on everything. So as a science journalist, some of the things that really interest me are animal behavior and we are animals, of course. We like to try to forget that sometimes, but we are, and it's hard to ignore

when you have a child, right? You feel very much like an animal, birthing a child, dealing with

all of a baby's needs. And another thing that really interests me as a writer is evolutionary biology.

How did we and other species arrive historically at where we are today?

The things that we do, the ways we behave and interact with each other and survive, how did we

settle on those solutions as the best way to live? One of the things that struck me immediately

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