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Live Inspired Podcast with John O'Leary

Freedom to Forgive: 25 Years After OKC Bombing (ep. 246)

Live Inspired Podcast with John O'Leary

John O'Leary

Self-improvement, Bestsellingauthor, Education, Dailyinspiration, Society & Culture, Liveinspired, Johnoleary, Inspiration, Joebuck, Inspiredliving, Onfire, Relationships

4.9672 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2020

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

My friends, the coronavirus pandemic is affecting each of us in some way. I urge you, Live Inspired community, to keep you + your loved ones happy + healthy. I want today's episode to instill some sense of normalcy and provide positivity + hope in this uncertain time.

Sunday marks the 25-year anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.  Many of us were left searching for healing + hope after the deadliest domestic act of terrorism in our country's history. Two mired in darkness were Bud Welch, a father of one of the victims, and Bill McVeigh, the father of Timothy McVeigh.

Before learning about the astonishing forgiveness that led to an extraordinary friendship between Bud + Bill, Jeanne Bishop shares her own transformative journey to reconciliation. Jeanne,  author + law reform advocate, details what led to finding forgiveness with the murderer of her sister + brother-in-law. 

Today’s emotionally powerful episode will inspire you to see the hope, freedom + joy that comes from forgiveness + reconciliation. 

SHOW NOTES:

Jeanne's Story

  • April 7, 1990: "I'll see you tomorrow," were the last words Jeanne said to her younger sister Nancy before she was tragically murdered along with her husband + unborn child.
  • Love is stronger than death. In Nancy's final moments, she drug herself towards her husband, using her own blood to write "Love You" which gives Jeanne peace, knowing that she died in love.
  • Hating someone else is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Wanting Nancy's memory to be life-saving + life-giving, Jeanne forgave the killer in order to free herself.
  • After 22 years, Jeanne wrote the killer a letter expressing her forgiveness + offering to visit him in prison. He wrote back sharing his remorse + showing how he grasped the enormity of his crimes, giving Jeanne justice.
  • From murderer to friend: Jeanne has formed a bond with her family's killer, having hope + expectation that he passes along every bit of good he can do whether he's in prison the rest of his life or not.
  • "The more I get to know them from you, the worse I feel about what I did." - Nancy's killer to Jeanne.

Bill McVeigh + Bud Welch's Story:

  • April 19, 1995: A truck bomb placed by Timothy McVeigh exploded outside Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people including 23-year-old Julie Welch, making it the deadliest domestic terror attack in US history.
  • Sister Roz, a Catholic nun who councils prisoners at the infamous Attica Prison, introduced Bud Welch (Julie's father) to Bill McVeigh (Timothy's father).
  • Realizing the hate Bud harbored for Timothy was not healing him, he sought to break the cycle of retaliation, revenge and bloodshed. 
  • "Vengeance begets vengeance; hate breeds more hate. Reconciliation is altogether different; it changes us and changes the world, one human heart at a time."
  • "We will only defeat evil with the amazing, forgiving reconciling love of God."
  • The Survivor Tree: Julie would park under the only tree that would provide relief from the sweltering Oklahoma summers + it survived the attack. Bud sees that tree as a living symbol of Julie. Learn more about the tree here.
  • Do you cry? Not feeling that he deserved to cry over the loss of his son, Bill finally felt free to cry after Bud acknowledged his son's humanity.
  • "There is hope. There is light. You don’t have to be mired in darkness. You don’t have to be pinned under a rock of defeat, hate, anger + disappointment. God wants to lift you into a life of freedom + joy."
  • Get a copy of Jeanne Bishop's book Grace from the Rubble.
  • Get a copy of Jeanne Bishop's book Change of Heart.

JEANNE BISHOP'S LIVE INSPIRED 7

1. What is the best book you’ve ever read? The Return of the Prodigal Son by Henri Nouwen.

2. What is a characteristic or trait that you possessed as a child that you wish you still exhibited today? I used to see stories in my head, write poetry, make up songs, see magic in the forest.

3. Your house is on fire, all living things and people are out. You have the opportunity to run in and grab one item. What would it be? Nancy's cross. She had a beautiful gold cross on a single gold chain that laid against her heart as it stopped beating.

4. You are sitting on a bench overlooking a gorgeous beach. You have the opportunity to have a long conversation with anyone living or dead. Who would it be? My grandfathers. They had so much wisdom and I was too little to know it.

5. What is the best advice you’ve ever received? Pastor John Boyle asked me, "What are you waiting for?" 

6. What advice would you give your 20-year-old self? Listen to the still, small voice of God before it has to become a megaphone.

7. It’s been said that all great people can have their lives summed up in one sentence. How do you want yours to read?  Give your life away.

To help combat fear, isolation and other uncertainty around coronavirus, I created a 21-day challenge to inspire our community to focus on what they can control and to remain ferociously optimistic that their best remains ahead. Sign up for the IN AWE 21-Day Challenge here.

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0:00.0

Well, hello, my friends, and welcome to another episode of the Live Inspired podcast with John O'Leary.

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Last week, I encourage you to share the stories of individuals making a difference in your community.

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I hope you remember that.

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Well, guess what?

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I was absolutely overwhelmed with the outpouring of helpers, of heroes, and of those around

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you and your community making a positive difference.

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We have compiled a few of the stories and together we have launched, get the drum roll ready,

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here we go, the live inspired together movement. You can find this weekly show on my YouTube

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channel, John O'Leary, and also on our Facebook channel. It will serve as an awesome reminder

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of what is possible as it continues to grow in front of us. My friends, help me to continue

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to shine a bright light on the helpers, on the heroes,

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and on those making a difference. I'd love you to email me at Together at John O'Learyinspires.com.

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Again, I'm looking for examples of helpers and heroes, individuals in your marketplace,

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in your backyard, in your hospital your hospital and your temple and your church

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who are striving forward to make a difference. Email those examples to me at together at

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John O'Leary inspires.com. And now on to today's episode. Welcome to the Live Inspired podcast with John O'Leary.

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John is the number one national bestselling author of the book On Fire.

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He's a world-class inspirational speaker, and he's the host of the Live-inspired podcast.

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John interviews extraordinary individuals on their life story so that you can wake up from

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accidental living and more fully live your life story. Here's your host, John O'Leary.

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Well, hello, my friends, and welcome to the Live Inspired podcast with John O'Leary. This Sunday,

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it's April 19th, it marks the 25th anniversary of the

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