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fm to get started. Hello and welcome to Straight White American Jesus. My name is Dan Miller. I am one of your hosts. I am

Associate Professor of Religion and Social Thoughts at Landmark College here in

Southern Vermont. And I am joined today by Andrew Seidel, who is a

constitutional attorney with the Freedom from Religion Foundation,

and has just published a book recently a few months ago entitled The Founding Myth,

Why Christian Nationalism is Un-American. And our listeners will know from the title of that book our focus today is going to be on this theme of Christian America Christian nationalism

So Andrew Seidl I want to welcome you and thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you so much for having me on it.

It's a true pleasure. Great.

So I was going to start with a story of Folly and some of our listeners have heard these before,

but once upon a time, Dan Miller, was a young

evangelical. I had just graduated from college, my undergraduate degree in

biblical studies at a Southern Baptist college. I was freshly

ordained, freshly minted, and I was one of two pastoral staff at a small church,

evangelical church in Seattle, Washington. But one of the interesting things I may bring up later in our discussion

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