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Woman's Hour

Freebirthing, Author Sarah Mughal Rana, Syria: One year on

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 8 December 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Have you heard of Freebirthing? It’s giving birth without any medical help or intervention. A new podcast by The Guardian has investigated an American organisation – the Free Birth Society or FBS – a multimillion-dollar business which professionals claim promotes some dangerous views. Nuala McGovern is joined by Sirin Kale who undertook the investigation along with her colleague Lucy Osbourne. Dr Claire Feeley, midwife and senior lecturer at Kings College London who has done research into freebirthing, discusses the free birth picture here in the UK.

Today marks a year since the fall of the Assad regime in Syria. For more than half a century the Assad family ruled Syria with an iron fist and when it came to an end after 13 years of war, many women hoped for a new era. So what's the situation for women in the country 12 months on? We hear from Lina Sinjab, the BBC's Middle East correspondent, who is Syrian and currently in Aleppo.

As part of Radio 4’s annual Christmas Appeal, we hear from NHS Clinical psychologist Sarah Phillips and former Rowan Alba supported-accommodation resident Elvira about how a revolutionary in-house psychologist team is helping homeless women in supported housing in Edinburgh and why they think this model should be rolled out across the UK.

Sarah Mughal Rana is a #BookTok personality and the co-host of On the Write Track podcast. Her debut novel - Dawn of the Firebird -has just been published. It’s an epic, action-packed fantasy story, embracing rich Islamic culture. Sarah joins Nuala to discuss the main protagonist, the discarded daughter of an emperor, who is described as: Daughter, Assassin, Traitor, Saviour.

Presenter: Nuala McGovern Producer: Kirsty Starkey

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:07.0

My Christmas Mix is pure 90s festive nostalgia.

0:11.1

You know, the Christmas songs you listen to on repeat.

0:14.0

Ho!

0:14.3

Ho! Ho! No, no, no.

0:17.5

I'm all about the big hitting Christmas anthems.

0:20.4

Come on, guys. What about those tunes that really slay? It's Christmas kitchen disco season, surely.

0:26.4

Give me hip-hip-hop Christmas bangers every day. Those Christmas tracks that are straight out of Lapland.

0:30.9

Get all kinds of Christmassy. Just search Christmas music on BBC Sounds.

0:35.7

Hello, this is Newell McGovern, and you're listening to The Woman's Hour podcast.

0:40.4

Hello and welcome to the program.

0:42.6

Well, when you're on from the fall of Bashar al-Assad in Syria, we ask where do women now stand in the country?

0:50.3

We have my colleague, Alina Sinjab, coming up in just a moment.

0:53.5

Also, we want to look into the world of free birthing, the intentional choice to give birth without the attendance of a registered midwife or doctor.

1:01.9

It's an idea that originated in 1950s in the United States, but has come under scrutiny in the UK lately.

1:08.2

We will hear why.

1:10.0

We'll also make time for an epic fantasy dawn off the

1:12.9

Firebird. It's a debut novel by Sarah Mughal Rana and it will take us to places inspired by

1:18.5

Central and South Asian history. We'll also speak to Elvira. She is a woman who has a home

1:24.7

after years of living without one. Elvira will tell us about how she came to be homeless and also how charities and a dedicated

1:31.3

psychologist helped her overcome her challenges and that she now has a future to look forward

1:37.5

to.

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