Free with Lea Ypi
TALKING POLITICS
Catherine Carr
4.7 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 21 October 2021
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
David talks with Lea Ypi about her astonishing new memoir Free: Coming of Age at the End of History, which tells the story of her childhood in Stalinist Albania and what came after. It’s a tale of family secrets, political oppression and the promise of liberation - and a profound meditation on what it really means to be free. From Marxism to liberalism and back again, this is a conversation that brings political ideas to life. Lea Ypi is Professor of Political Theory at the LSE and Free has been shortlisted for the Baillie Gifford Prize
Talking Points:
Albania was a socialist country that went through various alliances.
- By the time that Lea was born, it was largely isolated.
- The dominant narrative was that Albania was a country surrounded by empires, which stood on the moral high-ground.
- In other words, it was socialist and anti-imperialist but also fiercely nationalist.
For Albania, the key year was not 1989 but 1990.
- Initially, dissidents were described as ‘hooligans.’
- In December 1990, protesters requested political pluralism.
How do we conceptualize freedom?
- People in Western countries often relate to non-liberal societies by conceptualizing themselves as liberators.
- What does freedom mean in a limit-case like Albania?
- There is a risk of paternalism in the dominant liberal conceptions of freedom. There are always margins of dissidence.
- What does it feel like to suddenly gain freedom in the liberal sense? How does this affect relations between generations?
For Lea, freedom is about being the author of your own fate, even when it seems overdetermined.
- Studying political ideas can make one a nihilist, or you can choose to believe that there is something about humans that is inherently moral.
- In other words, freedom is moral agency.
Mentioned in this Episode:
- Lea’s new book, Free
- Lea on political legitimacy in Marxist perspective
- Book tickets for our upcoming event with Hilary Mantel
Further Learning:
- Lea in the Guardian on growing up in Europe’s last communist state
- More on Albania after the fall of communism from the FT
- More on Enver Hoxha
- More on the Albanian-Soviet split
- Lea talks to David and Helen about states of emergency
- TP History of Ideas on Fukuyama and the ‘End of History’
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, my name's David Rumsman and this is Talking Politics. Today I'm talking to Lear Ippi about her |
| 0:08.6 | truly remarkable new book, which tells the story of her Albanian childhood, Stalinist and post-Salinist. |
| 0:16.8 | It's about family, it's about oppression, and it's about freedom. |
| 0:23.9 | Talking Politics is brought to you in partnership with the London Review of Books, |
| 0:28.5 | which has its own weekly podcast. |
| 0:31.8 | Recent episodes include Dominic West, reading Patrick Lee Furmore, |
| 0:36.3 | a mini series of encounters with the lives and voices of women in medieval literature and an interview with me about Peter Thiel, the subject of my latest LRB piece. Just search for the LRB podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 1:06.2 | I recorded this conversation with Leia on Tuesday. |
| 1:08.1 | She's currently in Hamburg. |
| 1:09.3 | I'm in Cambridge. |
| 1:13.2 | We really do talk about a lot of things. This does go from the personal to the political and indeed to political theory and then back to the personal again. |
| 1:18.9 | There are some remarkable stories in what you're about to hear. And also, it's a way of rethinking |
| 1:25.0 | the 1990s. Many of us will have memories of the 1990s. |
| 1:30.0 | I don't think they'll be like the ones you're going to hear. |
| 1:33.1 | I started by asking Leah about her family and who she thought she was and they were when she was growing up. |
| 1:40.5 | I thought I was a child who lived in a socialist state, who was committed to a world socialist revolution. |
| 1:49.0 | And I knew that Albania was an isolated country. I knew it had had a tumultuous history after the Second World War. |
| 1:57.0 | There was a coalition with Yugoslavia, which was broken very soon, |
| 2:01.6 | then a coalition with the Soviet Union, which was often broken very quickly, then a coalition |
| 2:05.7 | with China. And then by the time I was growing up in the 80s, it was a completely isolated |
| 2:09.6 | state, which somehow, though, still believed to be, the slogan used to be at the time, the |
| 2:16.3 | lighthouse for all anti-imperialist struggles |
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