Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that is some level of genius. It also helps

that it's a long time ago, right? It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream

van plays music when it's out of ice cream. Listen to evil genius on BBC Sounds. Tonight, the fault

lines in the American dream and how they're reflected in different ways in America's

reality, past and present. Joyce Carol Oates's latest novel, The Sacrifice, looks at how a mysterious

act of violence reverberates through a community divided by racism. I'll talk to her about whether

justice can be done in the circumstances. The film Selma depicts a critical moment 50 years ago

when Martin Luther King faced down a racist sheriff,

the state of Alabama,

and the entire political establishment of the United States

over black people's right to vote.

Sheriff Clark, they're trying to gain access

to the registration office, which is our legal right.

There's too many of you. You know damn well there is. Now, y'all just go out to wait at the rear.

No, Sheriff Clark. We're going in the front. We're going to wait right here.

We'll hear more of events on the steps of the courthouse in Selma, Alabama, later on.

But first, Timberlake, Wirtnbecker is no stranger to the mythic.

She's translated Sophocles and Euripides for the stage.

Her latest play, Jefferson's Garden,

takes on a myth of a quite different kind,

the founding fathers of the United States.

It's set in 1776 when the settlers from the old world are sculpting out the

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