Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Tonight, free-thinking launches a police investigation into the police themselves, what we want

them to be, what we imagine them to be, what they actually are, and what they've been in the

past. Today, interested parties are digesting the latest annual report by Her Majesty's

Inspectorate of Constabulary, which argues that rather than putting their energies

into solving crimes, the police should refocus more of them on the causes of crime, such as,

intriguingly, the end of deference. But what about the causes of crime committed by the police?

How should the force respond when Doreen Lawrence says that she can't trust them? Or indeed

when Boris Johnson says

that we should have faith in them as though it were a matter of theology. What, culturally and

philosophically, are the police for? Tonight, we have several lines of inquiry to pursue. Here in

the interview room is the writer and filmmaker Roger Grafe, who's been documenting and dramatising

the lives of police officers since the 1980s. His first major documentary on the subject

looked at the work of the Thames Valley Police, whose chief constable, Sarah Thornton,

is helping us in our inquiries tonight, as is the writer and historian Kate Cahoon,

who's here to examine the relationship between the police and the public in the 19th century. But we start the program with something that's kicking off right now in the East End of London. You know, me no lie. I am always straight with people. So give me what I want. Now you see, boy, that is what you're at a talk, but you say you want helicopter.

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