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Free Thinking - Patricia Duncker

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BBC

Society & Culture

4.2598 Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2015

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Patricia Duncker talks to Anne McElvoy about her new novel which imagines George Eliot's relationship with her German publishers, Max and Wolfgang Duncker. Adrienne Mayor discusses the strength of women with Professor Melvin Konner. As an exhibition featuring empty Sansovino frames opens at The National Gallery in London, Anne speaks to Head of Frames Peter Schade about their history and Dame Harriet Walter and Guy Paul discuss collaborating on stage as a real life couple ahead of appearing in Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman.

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0:00.0

Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

0:23.4

It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream van plays music when it's out of ice cream.

0:28.9

Listen to evil genius on BBC Sounds.

0:32.2

Hello, tonight let's frame our thoughts a little and find out whether what surrounds a work of art can be as

0:38.0

interesting or even more so than what's contained within it as an exhibition of some rather

0:42.9

fine frames opens at the National Gallery in London. We encounter some strong women from the

0:48.4

literary salons of the 19th century in a new book by Patricia Dunker featuring George Eliot

0:53.3

and the ancient world as the classical scholar Adrian Meyer explores the hidden lives of Amazon women.

0:59.9

And I've been talking to Dame Harriet Walter and her husband, Guy Paul,

1:03.7

due to appear together on stage in Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman at the RSC

1:08.2

about the process of collaboration with a real-life partner.

1:12.3

If we did argue it was more to do with, you cut me off on that line,

1:16.4

or you're trying to hurry that bit.

1:18.8

And it's more the sort of normal things you might want to say to another act,

1:23.0

but not dare to say to another actor, whereas if it's your husband, you sort of can.

1:28.2

More from Harriet Walter and Guy Paul later. Fagner's Opera de Fleigende Hollander, a performance of which commands almost seven pages of Patricia Duncanke's new novel, Sophie and the Sybil, set in the last years of the life of George Eliot.

2:09.2

Elliot's standing as one of the great radical writers of 19th century England is well established. The impact of her visits to Germany in the 1850s and again in 1872

2:18.9

are less well explored. Dunker's story begins with Elliot's Second Stay and its influence on her

2:25.2

work thereafter. It spins a tale of intrigue and interpretation out of her relationship with her

2:31.1

German publishers, the Dunker brothers. One of them, Max, is sent to

2:35.0

Homborg, to meet a celebrity English author, Sybil, a cipher for Elliot. But Sybil has

2:40.8

competition in the form of Sophie, an Amazon of 19th century high society. Weaving these tales of

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