Free Thinking - David Grossman
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4.2 • 599 Ratings
🗓️ 19 February 2015
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Matthew Sweet talks to the Israeli novelist David Grossman about his book Falling Out of Time which mixes poetry, drama and fiction to explore the emotion of grief and loss. His own son died in 2006. He is also the author of non fiction books including Death as a Way of Life: From Oslo to the Geneva Agreement. They discuss his fiction and the part he hopes it can play in the discourse about Israel today. Originally broadcast on 11 March 2014.
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| 0:32.4 | Hello, the universe of fiction can be a cruel place. To some novelists, characters are as flies to wanton |
| 0:39.7 | boys. Think of the President of the Immortals ending his sport with Tess, Pipp Pirip, |
| 0:45.7 | almost failing Dickens' moral test, or Winston Smith and those rats. David Grossman has no |
| 0:52.5 | such streak of sadism. Terrible things happen in his fictional universe, |
| 0:57.3 | but they're terrible things that have already happened in the real world, from which his characters |
| 1:02.1 | must escape or with which they must reach accommodation. The woman in his novel to the end of the |
| 1:07.8 | land, who wants to re-civilise her son made barbarous by war. |
| 1:12.4 | The writer in Sea Under Love, whom history doomed to die at the hands of the Nazis, |
| 1:18.1 | but Grossman rescues with a magical transformation, the boy who longs to be liberated from |
| 1:24.0 | the awfulness of history by death. I really want to get to know my death, says the hero of Grossman's book of intimate grammar. |
| 1:32.4 | I mean, that's the important thing in life, isn't it? |
| 1:35.7 | Grossman was born in Jerusalem, and his work is rooted there, |
| 1:39.4 | though its translation into 30 languages suggests that it has no trouble finding its way beyond Israel's |
| 1:45.2 | borders. His journalism has also been translated, works that describe his encounters with Israelis |
| 1:51.1 | and Palestinians at the hard edge of the conflict that divides them. His best-known novel, |
| 1:56.5 | See Under Love, ends with a prayer that we may live in this world from birth to death and know |
| 2:02.5 | nothing of war. It's a knowledge Grossman himself cannot unlearn. Seven and a half years ago, |
| 2:09.0 | his 20-year-old son Yuri, a soldier in the Israeli army, was killed in Lebanon during the 2006 war |
| 2:15.7 | with Hezbollah. His new book, falling out of time, is a response to |
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