Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that is some level of genius. It also helps

that it's a long time ago, right? It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream

van plays music when it's out of ice cream. Listen to evil genius on BBC sounds.

We're out to demystify big business and the secrets of corporate leadership tonight with a former investment banker

turned novelist and will explore the relationship between the workplace grand famage

and the smaller fromages around him or her plus a reminder of the late mayor

angelou's humanity and humour now if you're feeling just a tad stressed by this stage in the week,

you might like me, for all to envying those serene creatures who seem hyperproductive

without showing the strain. Ariana Huffington is an alpha female, author of 14 books,

head of a digital media group and one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people.

So you might think she would have long ago conquered the specter of mere human stress. But in 2007, she found herself lying on

the floor of her home collapsed with strain and exhaustion. She wondered if there might be a better

way to live and to achieve. Well, now her thoughts have

been collected in a memoir, come research project and self-health book. It's called Thrive,

and it introduces us to the idea of the third metric. I spoke to her yesterday and asked her

to explain what she meant by the Delphic phrase. The first two metrics are really the way our society defines success, which are money and power.

And the argument in the book is that this is like trying to sit on a two-legged stool.

You know, sooner or later you fall off.

You know, nothing wrong with the first two metrics, but we need the third to really be able to have a life of meaning and purpose.

And the third metric consists of these four pillars. The first is our well-being and health.

And we look around and we see how many people are sacrificing their well-being to the pursuit of success as

narrowly defined. The second is wisdom. We see many leaders in politics, in business, in media,

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