Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Since this is taking place when London's going to Newcastle,

I want to ask you about the reverse journey.

Like me, you were a provincial boy coming to London.

Do you remember what it was like?

Well, the first time I came to London, my father was a sales rep.

And he worked in those days for an American company.

And he was driving down to London for a meeting from Newcastle.

This is 1967.

So it's before motorways.

And we set off at 5 o'clock in the morning. And seven hours later,

we were sitting at the Joe Lines Cafe at St. Giles Circus. And I was only 12 or 13, maybe. And he left me.

You wouldn't do this now. He left me and went to have meetings and he said, meet me back here at six o'clock. And I was, actually, I think I was just 13. And so I wandered off down Charlestpia Avenue. I was like the theatre. I couldn't believe all these theatres. I talked to each other. Piccadilly Circus was full of hippies. I went on the underground to the V&A

and I went to the British Museum

and just wanted around and sort of felt amazed

and met him at 6 o'clock and we drove back to Newcastle.

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