Hey y'all, I'm NPR, I'm Sam Sanders, it's Beneman.

Today we're going to talk about a topic that really never leaves a headlines.

A topic everyone has an opinion about, but no one can seem to really agree on.

I'm talking about speech, specifically free speech and hate speech.

Who decides what those things are, when and how or various types of speech protected,

and should people be punished for the things they say?

These debates have been in the headlines a fair amount recently.

Rose Ann's tweets, followed by the cancellation of her show, the fight over whether NFL

players get to kneel at games and protests, a federal judge ruling recently on whether

President Trump can block people on Twitter, and the seemingly never ending back and forth

over who gets to say what on college campuses.

My guest today has thoughts on all of this, and she is also an expert on speech.

Her name is Nadine Straussen, she's a professor of constitutional law at New York Law

School, and she was also the president of the American Civil Liberties Union from 1991

through 2008.

Nadine has a new book out called Hate, why we should resist it with free speech, not censorship.

She says the way to fight hate speech is not to legislate it or ban it, but to instead

fight for even more free speech.

In this chat, there are a few strong words, because we bring up some terms and slurs

that are classified by some as hate speech.

Alright, here's me talking with Nadine Straussen, she was in New York, I was an NPR in Culver

City, we take this chat a few weeks ago, right when there were some really big headlines

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