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Free Speech Under Fire: Censorship, Political Violence, and CIA Secrets with Andrew Bustamante | Ep. 258 | Pt. 2

Mike Drop

Mike Ritland

Society & Culture, Personal Journals, Documentary, Politics, News

4.96.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Dive into Part 2 of Episode 258 of The Mike Drop Podcast, where host Mike Ritland sits down with former CIA operative Andrew Bustamante for a raw, unfiltered discussion on the intersections of free speech, privacy, and government overreach in the digital age. Listeners will explore timely topics like social media censorship, the risks of online anonymity, rising political violence (including recent assassinations and threats), and the potential for societal unrest or even civil war in America. Bustamante shares insights from his CIA memoir Shadow Cell, detailing covert operations, mole hunts, and the team-based reality of espionage. The conversation also touches on parenting in a hyper-connected world, national debt crises, and Bustamante's personal plans to relocate abroad amid America's turbulent future. Packed with thought-provoking analysis, historical parallels, and no-holds-barred opinions, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in intelligence, politics, and the challenges facing modern society. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

To me, there's a lot of layers to what you're talking about in terms of being very social media and internet specific versus kind of everything else.

0:13.0

To me, what further complicates that is, you know, we talk about the First Amendment being, you know, not a guarantee of privacy, obviously,

0:23.6

but a guarantee of free speech.

0:26.6

To me, where the waters get quite muddy is that you have private sector for-profit companies

0:34.6

developing a technology, an app, a website, or whatever, that has an operating,

0:44.0

you know, right and left flank, it has a rule set to it that you agree to by signing up for it.

0:49.0

You're not obligated to sign up for it.

0:52.4

They can kind of run it however they want.

0:55.5

You know, when I see people complain about being, you know, Instagram pages being shut

1:01.3

down or YouTube channels being demonetized or whatever, I'm talking about the free speech

1:06.5

thing, like there is some gray area there and that, you know, your ability to speak isn't

1:12.7

any different. It's just this company is not going to allow you to do it on their, within

1:18.1

their rule set on their platform. Where I get a little nervous is when the United States

1:24.6

government steps in and now you have this weird mix of, well,

1:28.7

is it the U.S. government censoring company A or individual B? You know, is there influence?

1:34.9

You saw it at the height of COVID with our own government influencing, I mean, bordering

1:41.4

on threatening, maybe not even bordering. I mean, I think there were instances of DOJ and aspects of our government threatening private companies to either push a certain agenda or stifle a certain counter agenda.

1:55.0

How do you, how do you, you know, knowing kind of the not so black and white elements of all of that, do you feel

2:03.7

like there is a way for our government to navigate, both our government and private citizens

2:09.3

to navigate this kind of chapter of our nation's history moving forward in a way where there

2:15.9

is some guarantee of privacy without just

2:20.3

completely getting rid of everything or going to a civil war scenario.

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