Hello everyone welcome to the next level I'm JVL before we get started

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I am joined by my best friends, Sarah Longwell and Timothy

Miller of the Bullwark. Guys. Happy anniversary best friend. Happy anniversary 20 years. I saw a photo of you from your wedding day on

Twitter earlier today. Yeah, you have not. You've only aged like a week.

I mean, I guess the hairline is a little different and color is a little different, but that

skin, I don't know if you're moisturizing, but your skin looks somewhere.

You might have even dropped a few

LBs you're looking you're looking great 20 years what's your secret 20 years the

secret is marriage the secret is being married to the right person.

That's it. You marry the right person, everything else is great.

It's like they say about jobs, right?

Do a job you like and you never work a day in your life.

It's like that, but with marriage. marriage anyway that doesn't sound right that sounds like anniversary

JVL but okay we'll take it listen I'm sorry thank you for starting us with sunshine

but we got to go to a dark place

because earlier this week a former president of the United States a man who was

often misunderstood and vilified by people who were deranged and couldn't stop being fixated

upon some of his infillicities and his occasional crude tweets.

Oh, Pa.

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