Free Speech Is The Enemy of Free Speech, Apparently
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🗓️ 20 September 2025
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Summary
Dahlia Lithwick talks to First Amendment law professor Mary Anne Franks to explore the inversion of free speech in America this past week, and to trace the ways our assumptions about the First Amendment helped to tip us into this upside-down. Dr. Franks, author of Fearless Speech: Breaking Free from the First Amendment, explains the contradictions inherent in free-speech absolutism, the role of government in suppressing dissent, and the impact of media and entertainment on public discourse. What are we to make of a movement that screamed “jawboning” and “censorship” for a decade, but when handed power enthusiastically enacts actual governmental speech suppression and censorship? And what does the First Amendment mean if the powerful are consistently afforded maximum power in the “marketplace of ideas”?
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Dahlia Lithwick. |
| 0:06.0 | This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:14.3 | We are going to channel all of the anger that we have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle |
| 0:24.5 | these terrorist networks. |
| 0:25.7 | We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech. |
| 0:34.0 | With God is my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department |
| 0:38.0 | of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government. St. Paul tells us in the book of |
| 0:42.7 | Ephesians to put on the full armor of God. It appears to be some of the sickest conduct possible. |
| 0:52.1 | There's calls for Kim will be fired. We had some new lows over the weekend, |
| 0:57.1 | with the Maga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk |
| 1:02.2 | as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. |
| 1:07.8 | I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. |
| 1:18.0 | In the past week, we have pinged back and forth and at high velocities between two competing irreconcilable truths. Charlie Kirk's commitment to unfettered free speech made Charlie Kirk an |
| 1:24.2 | American icon, and that a commitment to free speech in his honor demands |
| 1:29.4 | firing professors and columnists and comedians for TikToks and tweets and monologues someone deems |
| 1:36.1 | as celebrating his assassination. You know you're at Peak Orwell when you can say Charlie Kirk is |
| 1:42.9 | the actual Messiah, but you cannot quote |
| 1:45.6 | Charlie Kirk's own words if you disagree with that sentiment. You're also at Peak Orwell when talk |
| 1:52.3 | of national unification requires threats of criminal vengeance and racketeering charges against dissenters, |
| 1:59.1 | all while the Trump regime tightens its grip on the |
| 2:02.5 | multi-billion dollar gatekeepers of speech and communication and the corporate organs that dominate |
| 2:08.0 | the public square. We've now entered a kind of hyperdrive of speech suppression that comes |
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