Before we start the show, a note about another show. It's called Unuraced. It's a new podcast about

the history of conversion therapy in America. We're talking about trying to turn gay people straight.

The show is from the boss, the Don, the godfather of good podcasts,

Chad Abumrod. He's the creator of Radio Lab. The first episode features Gared Conley,

who you might know from his memoir Boya Raced, which is a movie you can see soon.

Unuraced comes out tomorrow, but the trailer is out now. So look for it in your podcast app or on

your machine. Subscribe and get ready for the show tomorrow. Unuraced.

You BI. It's not an infection. It's free money, universal basic income, giving money to every

citizen guaranteed income from the government. Something so nice sounding that it must be Scandinavian.

There couldn't be anything more generous, right? Anything more welfare state. But this election

season, we've seen UBI discussed in mainstream American politics. People like Corey Booker and

Kamala Harris are seriously talking about this. What does we do? Is it would provide a kind of

social insurance that we don't have? Any Lowry writes for the Atlantic and she's now written a book

about universal basic income. It's called Give People Money. Right now we have a social welfare system

that sort of identifies people by circumstance and provides them with aid depending on whether you

qualify. Where's this? This is just a universal policy. How universal is it? Is it like the super

rich get it? Is it like a two year old gets it? Where are the limits to a universal basic income or

are there none? So people debate that. Some people say literally everybody should get it including

non-citizens. Some people say the only circumstance that would qualify you for it would be poverty and

it would be somewhat smaller. So Richard Nixon was really into that idea of all people. How into it

was Nixon? Super into it. So you know Nixon was coming after not just the New Deal in the great

society but the war on poverty. Okay. And so in his 1971 state of the Union address he said,

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