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Hello, I'm Garret Roberts from the Anfield Rap.

What's about to follow is normally a subscription show under Tour Player, which is five pound a month.

Because enough people pay this really it allows us to get in the studio and do things that we want to do around football.

One of the things I like to do, one of the things I'm really interested in is the perception of football fans in society really.

I've done stuff on it before with Amanda Jacks.

We've touched on a two with Jeff Pearson and academic who's, this is his area of expertise if you like.

And that too I'm about to speak to another one, another academic really with a lot of

expertise in this area, Clifford Stoss.

We've just recorded the show, we thought it was really good and really interesting and deserved a wider audience really.

So we're going to put this one out for free.

But as I say, what allows us to do these things is the people who subscribe so thanks to

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subscribing to the downfield app here is the chat with Cliff it's's the cup of tea show with me Garith

Robert and I'm joined today by Clifford Stott, delighted to have in the studio.

We're gonna have a chat about basically perception of football fans and football crowds, policing and

stupiding of crowds, that kind of thing. I'm sure you've all seen that it's a bit of a

hot topic. You know what I there was the reporting of Cologne and Arsenal and

talk of return to the 80s and all this kind of madness by the tabloids. There was

obviously 20 odd thousand fans who turned up for the game and tried to have a good time.

There's been various other incidents that I think we'll probably get into as well.

There was the fans celebrating Manchester City's 97 minute goal at Bormuth, and Stewart seemingly taking

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